Hi, I have two "regular" date fields (not jdate): 1) Record made date/time - ("Default to current date") 2) Record changed date/time - ("Default to current date" and "Always return today's date") As the names say, first one is to determine when record is created and second one when it is changed. When creating the new record, both of these dates/times should be identical. Anyhow first of these elements takes the date/time when the new record form is opened and the second takes the date/time when the record is submitted. Therefore I cannot determine anymore has the record been altered or the time difference is just the time between opening and submitting a form. Is there any solution for this problem? Thanks!