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If we all took that view, then these things would stay broken.I wouldn't do anything in fabrik until someone acknowledges that there are major issues introduced in the last 'update'.
Assume away, my friend. Assume away.Everyone seems pretty mum in responding the past few days so I assume they are aware and 'working on it'.
Well, some of us actually do "go figure" and then fix it.I have another form where it used to work but is no longer working. In this case the parent group is showing the YesNo element as unselected (and does not even include it in the $_POST data). In that form there is also a yesno element in the repeat group - and that is showing and working as expected. Go figure.
Not sure what was ludicrous about it. A lot of us are wholeheartedly sick of your unrealistic expectations, your unwillingness to contribute and your persistent griping.Allow me to respond to your ludicrous reply, Sophist.
Not at all - as I have said before, I have no problems about you reporting issues you find. It is not a problem if you just report the symptoms, as that warns others that this is a fabrik problem and not something they are doing.So you?re suggesting that when I come across some bug as destructive as what we have in this update, it is not something I should warn users about?
I do thank you when it is appropriate. But I will also point out when you are being particularly stupid or crass or insulting.You should be thanking me for doing so, not condemning me.
Well - that is another insult to various people.Because you see, while you and the rest of the fabrik team were enjoying your weekend or ?holiday?, I was still working hard at my project ? including trying to figure out these bugs and checking in here to see if other members of the community were experiencing the same issues.
No - as I have said in other posts:And you assume that anyone who comes up against a bug like this should just fix it themselves ...
YES!! Now you get it!!... and quit whining?
Well, that pretty much summarises your attitude of blame and selfishness.I didn?t introduce the bug ? and I?m not about to fix it.
Perhaps. Assuming that they were aware of how many issues were introduced.If anyone of the fabrtik team was aware of this bug there should have immediately been a big notice at the top of the forum ?DO NOT USE THE LAST GITHUB UPDATE ? WE ARE WORKING ON RESOLVING ISSUES INTRODUCED? ? AND you should have changed that update and reverted back to the previous version immediately, so no further downloads could be made.
Temper, temper.I don?t give a rat?s *ss if this is beta software or not.
As I have said multiple times, users are not expected to fix bugs in open source software. Just as paid support people like Hugh and Rob should not be expected to fix bugs for free for people like you and me. That Rob and Hugh do fix bugs for us for free, is a bonus. But in general, open source software is expected to be supported by its users.Users should not be expected to fix bugs introduced in the latest release.
What release?... latest release.
Well, I have seen them apologise. And I have apologised myself when I have got things wrong.I have YET to see anyone at fabrik ever apologize for the headaches they have caused me over the past year of using this beta product.
Another insult - this time against the integrity of Rob and Hugh.This is yet another one of those instances that has me wondering if these bugs aren?t being planted intentionally with the hopes of getting users to pay for support.
At last. You have finally got it!! This is the essence of Open Source software.So not only am I expected to fix the bugs introduced, I should pay for the privilege of anyone at fabrik to even acknowledge their existence?
Well - again that pretty much sums up your attitude. Rather than logging these as issues here in the forum or on the GitHub issues log where they might be visible to Rob and Hugh, instead you bury them at the bottom of another of your rants which really is not very helpful.OH and BTW ? someone might want to check element.php and list.php for the missing lines that were inadvertently removed in that last few updates that is causing these errors?
PHP Notice: Undefined variable: othertables in /home/public_html/administrator/components/com_fabrik/models/element.php on line 765
PHP Notice: Undefined variable: keydata in /home/public_html/components/com_fabrik/models/list.php on line 4077
Paul,
And now you know why I ignore certain threads, unless they consist of a simple "here's a bug, here's the symptom / error msg". I'm not going to read through pages of rant to find a nugget of actual bug report.
You seem to be at the point I was with Bauer a year ago. I had to give up interacting with him, as (seriously) it was messing with my blood pressure and my head. I also told him that obviously Fabrik wasn't a fit with his requirements / expectations, I couldn't provide him with support any more due to "irreconcilable differences", that he'd upset all of our Wiling Volunteers who help out and were no longer prepared to help him (which he appears now to have done with you as well), and he really needed to go and find some other solution / product.
I went from looking forward to work every day, seeing what new and interesting challenges awaited me in forum support that day, to dreading opening my browser in the morning, because it meant more of the same nastyness. Just wasn't worth it, so I quit reading anything he posts. Probably means I miss a lot of bug reports, but it was that, or just totally give up working on Fabrik. It seems that I simply cannot interact with certain people, they are literally bad for my health and wellbeing. although Bauer is the first of these people I've ever come across in the Fabrik world.
I do still appreciate the work he puts in, and will fix any bugs he reports which get passed on to me by other folk. But I pretty much never open a thread he's started these days, because it's odds-on I'll see something that just makes me wonder why I do open my browser in the morning, and don't just go work as a Walmart Greeter.
And FYI, yes, I spent the weekend working on 3.1 issues, to the tune of about 18 hours, I think.
-- hugh
Phil, I guess we all realise by now that you believe that the whole world revolves around you. But funny enough, Phil, its not ALL ABOUT YOU!! You are not the only person in the universe. Hugh was writing to me - my name is Paul.First off Hugh, my name is Phil not Paul - no idea where you got that from.
Funny how short your memory is. You said:Second - So you too consider it wrong that I warned kissenger to stay away from using the latest github update until the bugs it introduced were resolved? I realized it was the weekend and suggested to kissenger that you were probably already aware and would be working on it in short order. Yet that too seems to have offended Sophist.
The clear implication is that you think Rob and Hugh should be working weekends to fix your bugs for free. leaving everything else aside, they are entitled to a home life!!While you and the rest of the fabrik team were enjoying your weekend or ?holiday?, I was still working hard at my project.
People can read the thread and make their own mind up. In simple terms, you griped, I fixed.I am only as congenial as the tone of the conversation started. Sophist started this one, not I.
Now you know how we feel having to listen to your constant gripes and put downs.And to be quite honest I'm sick of hearing his 'fix it yourself' crap.
Would it help if I call you sanctimonious too?And now I'm being told I am selfish?
I have offered several times to do the GitHub bit for you. So this is - to use your own language - crap!!You have no idea how much of my time and effort I have contributed into helping make your product better for all - but because I won't go through the learning curve of github I should be scolded and criticized?
This is just untrue. In my discussions with Rob and Hugh they have been very forthcoming about the legacy issues and shortcomings.What bothers me today is the same thing that bothered me a year ago when I had my run-ins with you and Rob. Mostly, that is the fact that you can't take criticism and refuse to acknowledge shortcomings and fix long-standing bugs in fabrik.
That depends on where you are standing.If you want to ignore my posts, that's your loss
Another insult.I had my say in response to Sophist's usual Monday Morning burn (Mondays must not be good for him)
So why are you pissing now?I've got better things to do than get in another pissing match with anyone.
Aside from being the lowest form of wit, sarcasm generally just doesn't work online. And even now that you have indicated that your intent was sarcasm, and I try to consider it that way, I still can't see it as sarcasm. Readers can judge for themselves whether you were genuinely trying to be sarcastic or whether this is simply a justification after the event.Some people should realize that my sarcasm is a form of humor and not intended to be taken personally.
That's a really great line!! Truly great!! Someone feels that you have insulted them, but rather than apologise, you justify yourself by calling them thin-skinned. Again, I leave it to the reader to judge for themselves.I cannot help that some people can be so thin-skinned.